Razgovor s korisnikom:Kwamikagami
Fonts to see the astronomical symbols[uredi]
Hi, and first, thank you for the work on this Wiktionary. So I've been testing various Linux distributions, and they don't come with proprietary fonts that support obscure Unicode glyphs - so far, I've installed Noto Sans Symbols (1 and 2) that let me see most of the astronomical symbols except the following from your recent changes: 🝿🝻🝾🝼🝽. Code2001 and Code2002, Arial Unicode MS did not help either. Do these display on your system, and would you know which fonts are responsible? -Vipz (razgovor) 21:00, 16 juni 2022 (KSV)
- Hi Vipz,
- Those are new Unicode symbols, adopted last year for this year's update, and don't yet have Unicode font support. There are several non-Unicode fonts that have them, but assigned ASCII values so they won't help you online. One option would be to extract the fonts from the Unicode document registry here. Those should have the correct Unicode values. Or if that doesn't work I can send you custom font for the whole alchemical block, including these symbols.
- Because Mike Brown has publically commented on these characters for his "babies" (he or his team discovered these objects), because Unicode itself has published a press release about them, and because the most popular astrology software that uses them (Astrolog) supports Unicode, I suspect it won't be very long before there are Unicode fonts available. I suppose it was a bit premature for me to create the articles, but I have the time to do it now and might not later.
- Best, Kwamikagami (razgovor) 21:21, 16 juni 2022 (KSV)
- Oh, no need to worry about prematureness here... thanks for the explanation that these are new. I'm not in especial need to see them right now, I just worried they are older symbols and might not be showing up because I lack some fonts. How do I know which fonts I need for new Unicode, as in general? I can't see anything past Unicode 13.0 (tested from https://emojipedia.org/unicode-14.0/). Sorry if I'm taking your time, I would appreciate help if you're in the know. -Vipz (razgovor) 22:13, 16 juni 2022 (KSV)
- Unicode is huge, and I don't know of any site that keeps track of fonts for all of it. You will find sites dedicated to specific subsets, such as ancient scripts (fonts for cuneiform, Old Italic, Glagolitic, etc.) Google makes an attempt at full Unicode coverage with its Noto fonts, though some are badly designed and even those don't cover everything. SIL tries keeping up to date with fonts needed for general literacy, including semi-obscure scripts for minority languages. It's rare to find all the characters in a block, though. For example, SIL's Gentium, which IMO is one of the best fonts for IPA, lacks some IPA characters because it's too difficult to get them to work properly. On top of that, they can't afford to update immediately after every release of Unicode, so there may be a few years' delay.
- Don't worry about taking up my time -- if I don't have time to answer, I won't! And if you do find a good online resource for Unicode coverage, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Kwamikagami (razgovor) 22:24, 16 juni 2022 (KSV)
- Oh, no need to worry about prematureness here... thanks for the explanation that these are new. I'm not in especial need to see them right now, I just worried they are older symbols and might not be showing up because I lack some fonts. How do I know which fonts I need for new Unicode, as in general? I can't see anything past Unicode 13.0 (tested from https://emojipedia.org/unicode-14.0/). Sorry if I'm taking your time, I would appreciate help if you're in the know. -Vipz (razgovor) 22:13, 16 juni 2022 (KSV)